chenmu：i‘veheardthatcourtiershavesixrealms，iwonderwhatitis？sirtaughtme。

xiaofan：idon‘tthinkit‘shardtounderstandit，first，hepredicteditbeforeitevenhappened，andhegraspedthemainpointsandcarriedoutthestrategiclayoutinadvance，becauseofthis，hemadethekinghonorable，suchapersonisasaint，second，wholeheartedlyassisttheking，teachkingsjustice，manners，andstrategy，thekingdoestherightthing，thentheywillpromoteit，ifthekingmakesamistake，thentheywillcorrectit，suchapersonisagoodminister，third，heworkedveryhardandoftengaveadvicetotheking，suchapersonisaloyalcourtier，fourth，hedetectedthecrisisinadvanceandremediedit，eventuallyheturnedbadthingsintogoodthings，andsavedthecrisis，suchamanisaministerofwisdom，fifth，abidebythelawanddohisjob，hedoesnotacceptbribesandisveryfrugal，suchapersonisachastecourtier，sixth，thekingfaintedanddidmanywrongthings，hecorrectedtheking‘smistakesandwasnotafraid，suchapersonisanuprightcourtier。

chenmu：sirisright，iacceptyourteachings。

陈牧：寡人思欲进忠良，退不肖，十有余载矣，徒闻其语，不见其人，何也？先生教我。

萧凡：臣以为，此乃言之是而行之非也。言之是，则出乎公道，行之非，则涉乎邪径。是非相乱，好恶相攻。所爱虽有罪，不及于刑；所恶虽无辜，不免于罚。此所谓爱之欲其生，恶之欲其死者也。或以小恶弃大善，或以小过忘大功。此所谓君之赏不可以无功求，君之罚不可以有罪免者也。赏不以劝善，罚不以惩恶，而望邪正不惑，其可得乎？

陈牧：先生之言是也，寡人知过矣。

chenmu：iwanttopromotethosewhoareuprightandloyalandremovetreacherouspeople，it‘sbeenalmostadecadeandi‘veonlyheardofthembutcan‘tfindthem，sirtaughtmewhy？

xiaofan：ithink，thisisthereasonfortheinconsistencybetweenwordsanddeeds，wordsareonlyaboutrightandwrong，butwrongbehaviorcanhaveseriousconsequences，itisdifficulttodistinguishbetweenrightandwrongandgoodandevil，thepersonyoulovemakesamistakebutgoesunpunished，thepeopleyouhatearerightbutpunished，youoftenforgettheirexploitsbecauseofsmallmistakes，akingcannotrewardthosewhohavenomerit，andkingscannotpunishthosewhohavenotmademistakes，ifnot，itisimpossibleforyoutodistinguishbetweengoodandevil。

chenmu：sirisright，iwaswrong。

陈牧：寡人愿闻，何以择贤臣，何以别小人，先生教我。

萧凡：臣以为，当设礼以待之，执法以御之，为善者蒙赏，为恶者受罚，安敢不企及乎？安敢不尽力乎？若赏不遗疏远，罚不阿亲贵，以公平为规矩，以仁义为准绳，考事以正其名，循名以求其实，则邪正莫隐，善恶自分。然后取其实，不尚其华，处其厚，不居其薄，则不言而化，期月而可知矣。若徒爱美锦，而不为民择官，有至公之言，无至公之实，爱而不知其恶，憎而遂忘其善，徇私情以近邪佞，背公道而远忠良，则虽夙夜不怠，劳神苦思，将求至理，不可得也。

陈牧：先生之言是也，寡人谨受教。

chenmu：iwonderhowtodistinguishbetweenthevirtuousandthewicked，sirtaughtme。

xiaofan：ithink，youshouldtreatthemaccordingtoetiquetteandrules，thosewhodogoodarerewarded，andthosewhodobadarepunished，ifso，everyonewilllookuptoyouandbewillingtoworkhardforyou，eveniftheestrangedpeopledoagoodjob，youwillrewardthem，ifcroniesmakemistakes，thenyoupunishthemtoo，youhavetohandlethingsaccordingtofairnessandbenevolence，andorganizeexamstoseeiftheyreallyhavetalent，onlyinthiswayisiteasyforsagesandvillainstobedistinguished，ifyoujustlikeflashystuffandnotthinkaboutitforthepeople，thereareonlygoodideasbuttheyarenotimplemented，andwordsanddeedsareinconsistent，thennomatterhowhardyoutry，youcan‘tgovernthecountrywell。

chenmu：sirisright，irespectfullyacceptyourteachings。